whats your opinion about the goth subculture

[MM]

Some of the girls dress in some really cool gear but as precaution I dont go near this subculture I dont mind friends who are goth but I dont think I could become one myself

[zenemu]

Some of the girls dress in some really cool gear but as precaution I dont go near this subculture I dont mind friends who are goth but I dont think I could become one myself

They dress better than my peers did. Sadly I grew up during the brief period when "Shell Suits" where considered cool. It didn't seem to matter that they set on fire with the slightest provocation and that you would suffer truly horrendous burns as a result. I suppose that is why I have no sense of fashion at all:

[Remission]

Some Goth girls are really hawt.   

[Shiroi Tora]

To dress as one sees fit, is of course, one's decision.  However, it is also one's decision to think certain ways about people who do so.  To see someone go to extraordinary lengths to put forth a facade tells others of a lack of prioritization.  The really important focus should be on the inside.  When someone expends energy to show the world their false persona (created from fantasy), people realize that, for the most part (there are some smart / good goths of course), they have chosen to give an impression, rather than to be modest and to BE special.  Any fool can buy a costume.  To become someone special...takes work and dedication.  Too many people (everywhere...just blatantly obvious with goth), think that the world operates on facades....that the most important thing is what others think of them...that is why the facades.  Do you really think people who invest in facades would do so were they the only persons to see them?  

It takes valuable time every day to apply makeup ( I am assuming total goth )...there are only so many hours in each day....something has to be sacrificed...the outside should be simple...good grooming yes....extraordinary costuming only if you work in a circus.

The world concerns itself with results.  A person who has it together in life already...and chooses to go goth...no real problem, unless they must be in the public eye...where first impressions are valuable.  To make a visual statement is to insult others...as if what you wear is supposed to somehow impress them.  It is saying that others are so stupid as to be fooled by a facade...it is generally done by youth because they have no idea how the world operates...and fail to realize that other people have already considered the front loading of effort into a facade and have rejected it as an unnecessary drain on resources and a phony way of life.

There is so much to work on ...on the inside.  There is always room for improvement.  To forgo the inside for the outside, beyond normal grooming, is a skewed sense of priorities in life....it tends to show others an extreme lack of maturity, and so, a distrust of them to make rational decisions.

It is the same for someone who...instead of advancing themselves in their profession or chasing a real passion in life....spends all his free time playing video games....a lack of priority in life.

Not to say video games are bad...I play them myself...just in moderation...as a dessert...not as a meal.

[Aspergers Girl]

I find that unless you're actually immersed in the goth culture that some of the people dress like that because they're posers.

I've met people way more normal than me that dress goth just to show off. I can relate to real goths, quirky outsiders yet interesting.

[Shiroi Tora]

If it is a hobby...a chance to have theater as you go out...that is fine.  The problem occurs when someone insists on doing it everyday as a way of life...wanting to be goth at school and at work.  Wasting hours daily instead of doing something aimed at making them succeed in life.  

It is also a selfish pursuit...and no...I needn't have experienced Goth to know.  It is an attempt to bond with others through self designated elitism (special club - no special qualifications needed other than doing what the others do - saying they are non conformists when it is exactly what they are doing...their sub group is far more conformist than others outside of the group).  It celebrates the exterior...the shell...the notion of self before anyone else.  

They take the easy route to being different from society...just apply makeup...buy certain clothes...a special person (in their minds).  To separate themselves through intense effort in their discipline (arts, academia, innovation...etc) is way too difficult...why practice deferred gratification when immediate gratification pays off in some manner.  They want the social aspects of a small elite group without the need to prove one's worth....just by going along you have immediate acceptance....but you must conform.   They must play the sheep more so than the the "poor" normal person.

Yes, again, they have the "right" to play dress up.  It really should be just for fun once they have made it in life first...or for special events...an occasional party.

[MM]

Shira buddy are you pointing out the hypocripsy of the subculture.

[Shiroi Tora]

You bet! 

I am, however, for any group that wishes to help others that cannot help themselves...or to improve others situations... Or for truly elitist groups...elite through action, as a result of applied intelligence, superior athleticism, specialties (investor groups for ex)...ones that are proven to be the best and are out to help others.

[MM]

Yes its very similar to many "christian" fundamentalist groups a hollier than though attitude but I do agree I especially like groups that have something that the rest of population does not have but are willing to offer it to you as a way to help or too help you achieve the same level of success that they do.

[Shiroi Tora]

Yes, it is extremely selfish for a person to excel in something and to not pass on the knowledge.  It is the teacher or organizer that is the real benefactor of progress to humanity.  To have a better way improves a product or makes an invention....to teach others how it is done...the process that led you to that knowledge ...forever eliminates ignorance in the whole branch of logical progression from the original thought.  It moves the world forward.  It also allows the knowledge to progress geometrically...as one teaches many and the many teach far many more...etc.  This also applies to morals...this is how good conquers evil.

Sorry for the leap in logic but....what the hell