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« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2011, 07:27:47 AM »

Anyway I did not write this post to debate religion or evolution creation it was just simply a warning to some aspies that go looking into these sorts of churchs for unconditional acceptence that you usually wont find it.  What you will find is generally false.  I hate the way these people take advantage of people so desperate for acceptence

Well, Church people, in general, pretty much suck. That's all I have to say on that one.
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« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2011, 07:14:14 AM »

There is no need for an Intelligent Designer, though. The "Intelligent Design" argument is useless and adds extra but unneeded details.

If evolution is explained properly without inserting an Intelligent Designer into the equation, then what's the point? It's like saying that Zeus still has to throw down the lightning bolts from heaven even if they're naturally formed.

What formed the atmosphere and formed the lightning in the first place Smiley
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« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2011, 04:19:47 PM »

What formed the atmosphere and formed the lightning in the first place Smiley

According to science? Or according to your faith?

Which answer do you want? Wink
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« Reply #93 on: September 26, 2011, 06:53:21 AM »

Answer the question please where did the lightning come from.  So its science to believe that design can come without a designer that takes more faith to believe in this then it does to believe in god.  Engineering the science of design often seems to use design principals found in nature now explain how it happened by PURE CHANCE
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« Reply #94 on: September 26, 2011, 06:56:16 AM »

Anyway I remember when I used to be part of these groups I remember that people wanted me to be my friend only at church or church related events so I drove these hypocrites away and was rude and impolite to them at church and they did not want to be friends much more after that.  I recommend other aspies not to do this  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #95 on: September 26, 2011, 06:59:39 AM »

Can you explain the process how it all happened by pure chance and show how it happened by pure chance.
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« Reply #96 on: September 26, 2011, 07:02:02 AM »

Sorry I ressurected this thread I was just trying to warn others especially younger aspies in there early twenties to not put there trust into these false phoney church groups.
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« Reply #97 on: September 26, 2011, 05:28:03 PM »

You through enough s*** at a wall, sooner or later you will start seeing what you believe is a picture. Design and time on that matter are just a humun conception. As the human race, we are nothing special, we just seem think we have some sort of deeper understanding, but we're mere no different to a coloney of ants. "God and bible" Just proves our point on how as a spesies we like to explain our exsistence before the advanaces we made in science, i really doubt in another thousand years, that our contempory theories and understandings will still come close to the bigger picture which is our universe.
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« Reply #98 on: September 26, 2011, 05:52:20 PM »

Answer the question please where did the lightning come from athiests love to sidestep this question and throw up a debate tactic to get you you on your toes.  So its science to believe that design can come without a designer that takes more faith to believe in this then it does to believe in god.  Engineering the science of design often seems to use design principals found in nature now explain how it happened by PURE CHANCE

I asked you what what I asked because I'm trying to figure out whether the answer you want is one in accordance with empirical evidence or if you just want to fill in every unknown gap with the god of your choice.

But fine, if you want to know the basic scientific answer, lightning occurs as a result of natural processes carried out by natural components required for lightning to form. How exactly? Well, from what I've read, it's still being looked into by scientists. So the current answer is that there's not enough information at the moment to know how exactly they form. But I doubt God is acting like Zeus and throwing lightning bolts whenever he's in a bad mood. Wink

And no, no pure chance here. At least not in the way you're probably suggesting. No lottery is won when things happen. They just happen. The world came to be because things happened (eventually, gradually, and naturally) that led to the formation of this planet. Life came to be because things happened (eventually, gradually, and naturally) that led to the formation of life. We came to be because things happened (eventually, gradually, and naturally) that led to our existence.

It may seem like it's all magic, but if you were to be an immortal soul who started existing the moment the Big Bang occurred, you would've seen how things just naturally happened via natural processes that led to the formation of this world, of life, and of human beings.

I'm not an atheist, by the way.
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« Reply #99 on: September 26, 2011, 05:56:10 PM »

You through enough s*** at a wall, sooner or later you will start seeing what you believe is a picture. Design and time on that matter are just a humun conception. As the human race, we are nothing special, we just seem think we have some sort of deeper understanding, but we're mere no different to a coloney of ants. "God and bible" Just proves our point on how as a spesies we like to explain our exsistence before the advanaces we made in science, i really doubt in another thousand years, that our contempory theories and understandings will still come close to the bigger picture which is our universe.

Good points. A lot of what are mysteries at the moment will probably be eventually explained in future ages. It's happened in the past and in the present and will continue to happen into the future.
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« Reply #100 on: September 26, 2011, 05:57:53 PM »

Can you explain the process how it all happened by pure chance and show how it happened by pure chance.

That's not a sincere question, is it, mate?

Can you explain the process of how God made it all happen? Tongue
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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2011, 03:25:05 AM »

Know I cant that his job Grin LOL

Sorry If I have been arragant I dont wish to debate anyfuther I am a recovered alcoholic and I generally try to avoid controversy because resentments I get from it could lead me back to drinking.   So the winner of the debate is Mcalarva. 
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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2011, 02:34:49 PM »

Know I cant that his job Grin LOL

So you agree that one does not need to know every single detail in order to arrive at a conclusion, right?

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Sorry If I have been arragant I dont wish to debate anyfuther I am a recovered alcoholic and I generally try to avoid controversy because resentments I get from it could lead me back to drinking.

Well, good on you for making the effort to quit drinking too much. You deserve much credit for this.

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So the winner of the debate is Mcalarva.

I know this was a debate, but when it comes to these matters, all of us are either winners or losers. This isn't a personal you vs. me. It's you and me vs. God and the universe. We're left here discussing with each other about God and the universe pondering their mysteries while God and the universe are out there focusing on much more important things to them, not caring much for our sheer ignorance concerning both the divine and the cosmic nature.
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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2011, 03:02:20 PM »

I'm a christian, but I'm no fan of religious hypocrisy; Conservative christians tend to be the biggest hypocrites of them all.
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« Reply #104 on: October 05, 2011, 03:08:23 AM »


So you agree that one does not need to know every single detail in order to arrive at a conclusion, right?

NO  Grin
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