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« on: January 31, 2011, 04:35:44 PM »

Something that's been bugging me all this time. And I hope SuperGirl (uh ... I mean AspergersGirl) can give me something intellectually stimulating to think about.

In the beginning, God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden tree ... or else they would die (I know, God was just being cheeky here ... he didn't really mean it). And that was the only command that they had to obey.

Eve, being the typical curious woman who is easily tempted by charming snakes that can actually talk, disobeyed God and ate from the tree. And that's sort of understandable because women are extremely curious by nature (for evidence, just remember Pandora).

But Adam ... and this is what confuses me here ... Eve stuffs up, God is now angry ... so why the heck did Adam listen to Eve and also eat from the tree and make God even angrier?

I mean, it's common sense. If my woman stuffs up, I shouldn't do the same and stuff up even worse. On the contrary, I'd make sure I'd fix what the woman did.

So ... did Adam have Asperger's (that would explain a lot) ... or was he simply horny at the time and wanted to get it on with Eve as soon as he can (which is why he didn't argue with the woman once)?

And what was the forbidden tree? Apple tree ... or pomegranate? Or was it ASPberry tree? (you know, asp = snake, lol)

So anyway, when you have time, feel free to answer my questions.

Thank you in advance for your response.

Manny Calavera
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 05:27:00 AM »

because men had not learnt at the time not to listen to women Tongue
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why get anxious in life about not having friends or anything for that matter what help impossible for people to provide or that they wont provide is possible for god and he will provide.  Book of matthew last versus "low I am with you always even to the end of the world amen"
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 12:29:19 AM »

But Adam ... and this is what confuses me here ... Eve stuffs up, God is now angry ... so why the heck did Adam listen to Eve and also eat from the tree and make God even angrier?
It may be helpful to put some of the Catholic Church's teaching here on "occasions of sin". Basically the teaching states that if you put yourself in a geographical position where you've committed a sin before, or where you've been warned that bad things happen, then a sin is very likely to happen. Adam has gone back to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil where God has told him that if he eats the fruit of THAT tree, then he will die. So all he's got to do is avoid the part of the garden where the tree is, and death will be avoided. But because he's in a place where his judgement is clouded, then the suggestion is made, and he just goes along with it.

So this is why, when you confess the sin (to a priest in the Roman Catholic tradition) your promise is to avoid any occasions of sin, so that you won't commit the sin again. I can tell some of the atheists here will say, ok so what about if you commit sins where you live, or where you go to a place every day, how are you meant to avoid that place altogether? The point is to pay attention if you can't avoid going to the place where it's happened, then you need to be on your guard. If you can avoid the place at all then it's best to do so.

There's no traits laid out for Adam in the story in Genesis (from where I'm standing, anyway) that suggest he was an Aspie. Not sure what was on the tree, either.

I hope this helps.  

This is only my opinion. I didn't mean to steal Fiona's thunder; the boss can still write whatever she likes.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 04:48:45 AM »

Oh, your post was quite insightful and reflects a man of great wisdom who's been through years and years of experiences and life. Good to read from you.

Cheers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 06:39:12 AM »

The idea was that there were actually TWO trees.  The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  I believe there is a point in the Bible where it says that God knew because they were covered.  They didn't have clothes prior to that point.

Anyway, the lives supposedly got shorter and shorter. 

As for what it is?  Well, I guess it can't be an apple, etc...  After all, we don't see any difference, etc.... 

BTW ANOTHER thing is that logically, there would be NO need to lie and, even if their were, it was unknown.  So WHY would adam doubt her word?  Remember!  The tree was that of the SAME sort of knowledge you indicate he lacked!

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 12:59:56 PM »

If I said what I really think I would have to ban myself from my own forum.  Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 01:29:09 PM »

It is a strange tale isn’t it? Adam was probably a King in Jerusalem, somewhere around 1500 BC. During that period, Kings routinely built private gardens, which at the time had a similar function to a modern day church – A place for gods and goddess’, or god on earth. Eve was probably Adams mistress, or possibly a priestess to a goddess or both. Between them they caused some form of offense probably to the goddess’ male counterpart, and Adam was overthrown. The serpent represented knowledge and wisdom, and in this tale probably represents the priesthood of the male deity. It seems obvious that a lot of politics where involved in the situation and whether Eve or Adam were deceived or pushed into a course of action by this priesthood, it seems clear that they were major players with an agenda of their own, and the suppression of the followers of the goddess, which probably had an uncomfortable amount of political power.  In causing this situation, the pair of them are likely to be the source of the suppression of women which followed through Hebrew culture to most modern religions. In turn that is probably the source of the idea of one true god and the extinction of the goddess ideology.

Basically the pair of them have a lot to answer for; we are still living with the aftermath today. It always strikes me as quite remarkable how subtle events in history, political intrigue and spin can have such a long lasting impact on the way civilizations evolve and impact on societies 3000 years later.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2011, 07:16:20 AM »

It might have originally started from a tribe called adam and a tribe called eve no one really knows the origin of the narrative.  The story of gilgamesh is very similar apparantly and so is the flood legend but then again there world wide flood legends in every culture of the world go figure Huh? Confused
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why get anxious in life about not having friends or anything for that matter what help impossible for people to provide or that they wont provide is possible for god and he will provide.  Book of matthew last versus "low I am with you always even to the end of the world amen"
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2011, 06:48:21 AM »

Even though I will comment here, I am NOT TOUCHING THIS SUBJECT WITH A 10 FOOT POLE! Even this stupid idiot (i.e. me) knows better than to discuss religion on any forum or even worse - in real life!! I have my own views on this stuff and I shall keep silent on this matter.
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